Oct. 23, 2025
Overview Phil & Hayley interview Jojo Smith (CreativeSAS) on the difference between brand (values, beliefs, personality, purpose) and branding (visuals). Jojo shares how ditching a generic “corporate” persona unlocked connection and growth, and outlines the Creative SAS model — Creativity, Self-awareness, Strategy — as a practical framework for founders. Key insights Brand first, branding second: build the naked business before choosing the clothes Reframe “flaws” into differentiators clients va...